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		<title>Peerless/Usher &#8211; Post #5</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another Crossover
This one has a little more informed crossover point.  I ended up with 1800Hz LR4.  Hopefully this will be low enough to attenuate the peak in 3rd harmonic on the woofer (centered @ 1600) as well as get rid of most of the weird peak in high order harmonics in the tweeter around 2k. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Another Crossover</strong></p>
<p>This one has a little more informed crossover point.  I ended up with 1800Hz LR4.  Hopefully this will be low enough to attenuate the peak in 3rd harmonic on the woofer (centered @ 1600) as well as get rid of most of the weird peak in high order harmonics in the tweeter around 2k.   The impedance looks ok, only dropping to 4 ohm min in the 3k-4k region.  Listening to one speaker with the crossover emulator built into soundeasy this crossover sounds pretty good.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1800_z.gif" rel="lightbox[261]"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-262" title="1800_z" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1800_z.gif" alt="1800_z" width="441" height="192" /></a></p>
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		<title>Peerless/Usher &#8211; Post #4</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back to basics:
Alright, crossovers are fun, but I guess I am getting a little ahead of myself.  I am now actually doing the research to find the propper crossover point (instead of guessing).  With the help of some of the guys over at the HTGuide forum I think i will be able to get this [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Back to basics:</strong></p>
<p>Alright, crossovers are fun, but I guess I am getting a little ahead of myself.  I am now actually doing the research to find the propper crossover point (instead of guessing).  With the help of some of the guys over at the HTGuide forum I think i will be able to get this sorted.  Time for the measurements:</p>
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<td width="50%" height="20"><a class="galleryText" onclick="return changeImage(this)" href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/hds-minphase.gif" target="gallery3" rel="lightbox[226]">HDS Nomex</a></td>
<td width="50%" height="20"><a class="galleryText" onclick="return changeImage(this)" href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/9930-minphase.gif" target="gallery3" rel="lightbox[226]">9930</a></td>
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<div class="break">&#8212;&#8211;break&#8212;&#8211;</div>
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<td width="50%" height="20"><a class="galleryText" onclick="return changeImage(this)" href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/9930-dist.gif" target="gallery2" rel="lightbox[226]">9930 &#8211; 10&#8243; mic. dist.</a></td>
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<p>The difference between the near-field and 10&#8243; measurements makes me a little nervous.  The level of the driver did not change, only the mic position.  The huge difference in distortion levels must be a result of the mic distortion as the driver should have been producing the same distortion regardless of mic position.  The mic / preamp did not clip in these tests, but I think it is obvious that they produce a large percentage of the measured distortion themselves.  The question becomes; is the mic distortion consistent?  Or does it vary greatly with frequency?  Can these measurements be trusted at all?  The good news is that they do show aprox. the same patterns, even if the details change with mic position.</p>
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		<title>Peerless/Usher  &#8211;  Post #3</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[New Crossover:
I have been working on my LR4 crossover to fix some of the flaws, but I also decided to try a LR2 configuration.  The results are interesting.  Once the drivers were made to hit the LR2 targets the phase was not tracking well at all with the tweeter polarity reversed (as it should be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New Crossover:</strong><br />
I have been working on my LR4 crossover to fix some of the flaws, but I also decided to try a LR2 configuration.  The results are interesting.  Once the drivers were made to hit the LR2 targets the phase was not tracking well at all with the tweeter polarity reversed (as it should be in a LR2).  Switching the tweeter back to positive polarity got the phases closer, but would still have required a very asymmetrical filter to align the phases with any accuracy and they only tracked for a few hundred Hz.  So I chose to use a ladder delay network to help align the phases.  It is a lot of fiddling, but I think it came out quite well.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2-overlay.gif" rel="lightbox[213]"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-214" title="2200_lr2-overlay" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2-overlay.gif" alt="2200_lr2-overlay" width="441" height="260" /></a></p>
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<div id="attachment_215" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 485px"><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2.gif" rel="lightbox[213]"><img class="size-full wp-image-215" title="2200_lr2" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2.gif" alt="2200_lr2" width="475" height="299" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Crossover Info</p></div>
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<div id="attachment_216" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 474px"><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2-phase.gif" rel="lightbox[213]"><img class="size-full wp-image-216" title="2200_lr2-phase" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2-phase.gif" alt="2200_lr2-phase" width="464" height="329" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Phase Tracking</p></div>
<div id="attachment_217" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 474px"><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2-phasewithoutladder.gif" rel="lightbox[213]"><img class="size-full wp-image-217" title="2200_lr2-phasewithoutladder" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2-phasewithoutladder.gif" alt="2200_lr2-phasewithoutladder" width="464" height="329" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Phase Tracking before ladder network</p></div>
<div id="attachment_218" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 474px"><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2-z.gif" rel="lightbox[213]"><img class="size-full wp-image-218" title="2200_lr2-z" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2-z.gif" alt="2200_lr2-z" width="464" height="329" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Impedance</p></div>
<div id="attachment_219" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 565px"><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2-cad.gif" rel="lightbox[213]"><img class="size-full wp-image-219" title="2200_lr2-cad" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr2-cad.gif" alt="2200_lr2-cad" width="555" height="409" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">LR2 @ 2200</p></div>
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		<title>Peerless/Usher &#8211; Post #2</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 13:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am now planning on building a larger box for these speakers, but that will have to wait until I finish up the other projects that are piling up in the workshop (oh&#8230; the endless joys of home-ownership).  So to continue making progress I thought I would start working on some crossovers.  I know it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am now planning on building a larger box for these speakers, but that will have to wait until I finish up the other projects that are piling up in the workshop (oh&#8230; the endless joys of home-ownership).  So to continue making progress I thought I would start working on some crossovers.  I know it will not be the final crossover as I intend to move the woofer and tweeter closer, but I think it will give me some idea of what topologies and alignments will work best.  Plus, I need to hear these things or I will start loosing steam (that&#8217;s right, I am easily distracted)!</p>
<p>So, I took the test box outside for some measurements.  This was my first time trying to measure outside.  My inside measurements were always repeatable, but I never quite trust them.  Like I said, this was my first time measuring outside, so there was a learning curve.  There was some ambient noise, I can hear the freeway from my house, some construction in the distance ect.  Its amazing how much noise there is outside if you actually stop and listen!  I figured that with 6 cycles averaged together I could get rid of most of the ambient.  The thing I didn&#8217;t realize was going to be such a problem was the wind.  It wasn&#8217;t heavy wind, but with the puffs of air I could go from good measurements to clipping the mic-pre in a heartbeat.  I need a windsock.  Anyways, eventually I got consistent and repeatable results that I am pretty confident in.  Measurements taken at 1.5m using ARTA&#8217;s sweep excitation for impulse measurements.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/9930.gif" rel="lightbox[203]"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-204" title="9930" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/9930.gif" alt="9930" width="400" height="284" /></a><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/hds.gif" rel="lightbox[203]"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-205" title="hds" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/hds.gif" alt="hds" width="400" height="284" /></a></p>
<div class="break">&#8212;-break&#8212;-</div>
<p>The next step was taking everything into Soundeasy and whipping up a crossover.  After some fiddling I ended up with a LR4 @ 2200.  This was more a choice of convenience of hitting the targets than any precisely contemplated crossover point.  I don&#8217;t think the woofer will be having trouble by then, and I think moving the crossover up when using a woofer that can handle it gives the tweeter a little extra headroom.  Here is the basic info:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr4.gif" rel="lightbox[203]"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-207" title="2200_lr4" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr4.gif" alt="2200_lr4" width="536" height="325" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr4-phase.gif" rel="lightbox[203]"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-208" title="2200_lr4-phase" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr4-phase.gif" alt="2200_lr4-phase" width="530" height="299" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr4-cad.gif" rel="lightbox[203]"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-209" title="2200_lr4-cad" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2200_lr4-cad.gif" alt="2200_lr4-cad" width="426" height="303" /></a></p>
<p>Like I said, this isn&#8217;t a finished crossover.  It is promising though.</p>
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		<title>Peerless 6.5&#8243; &amp; Usher 9930 &#8211; Post #1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok&#8230; I have finally begun plugging away at a new project.  My last few speaker building projects (and my measurement projects for that matter) have been failures.  This project will not!  And, on top of that I am actually going to finish this one (I hope).
&#8212;&#8212;-Break&#8212;&#8212;-
The Drivers:
After looking at a lot of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230; I have finally begun plugging away at a new project.  My last few speaker building projects (and my measurement projects for that matter) have been failures.  This project will not!  And, on top of that <strong>I am actually going to finish this one</strong> (I hope).</p>
<div class="break">&#8212;&#8212;-Break&#8212;&#8212;-</div>
<h2>The Drivers:</h2>
<p>After looking at a lot of different drivers I decided that I should choose a well behaved woofer.  After all, my last project never got anywhere because I just never figured out how to tame the drivers complex breakup.  So this time I want paper or poly.  But which one?  I decided to try both.  So I have a <a href="http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=143&amp;products_id=1613" target="_blank">Peerless 830875 6.5&#8243; Nomex woofer</a> and a <a href="http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=143&amp;products_id=1609">Peerless 830874 6.5&#8243; Poly woofer</a>.  These will be mated to the <a href="http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=276-604" target="_blank">Usher 9930</a> tweeter.  I think these will go well together.  But we will see.</p>
<div class="break">&#8212;&#8212;-Break&#8212;&#8212;-</div>
<h2>The Box:</h2>
<p>After doing some modeling in Soundeasy I decided to build a relatively exact replica of the <a href="http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=302-720" target="_blank">parts express .5&#8242;</a> box.  I am now wondering if this is a little small for this woofer and since I built the damn thing myself I am wondering why I didn&#8217;t just make it a little bigger.  One thing I have noticed already&#8230; .5 cubic feet is pretty big.  I was thinking this would a relatively small speaker.  Not the case.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/peerless-1.jpg" rel="lightbox[181]"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-182" title="peerless-1" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/peerless-1.jpg" alt="peerless-1" width="332" height="500" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/peerless-2.jpg" rel="lightbox[181]"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-183" title="peerless-2" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/peerless-2.jpg" alt="peerless-2" width="500" height="388" /></a></p>
<div id="attachment_191" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 438px"><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/excursion.gif" rel="lightbox[181]"><img class="size-full wp-image-191" title="excursion" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/excursion.gif" alt="excursion" width="428" height="242" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Here is the basic tuning info with a 2</p></div>
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<div id="attachment_193" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 434px"><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/modeledvsmeasured.gif" rel="lightbox[181]"><img class="size-full wp-image-193" title="modeledvsmeasured" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/modeledvsmeasured.gif" alt="This is the modeled impedence vs. the measured impedence.  Modeled on top, measured beneith." width="424" height="322" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">This is the modeled impedence vs. the measured impedence.  Modeled on top, measured beneith.</p></div>
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<p style="text-align: left;">There are already a few things that I think I am going to change before going on to the next step.  The baffle is currently removable.  I don&#8217;t like it.  It doesn&#8217;t seem as rigid as a completed box and the supports that I am bolting it too keep breaking, even though they are made of oak.  I think I will also move the woofer closer to the tweeter.  It didn&#8217;t look that far away when I drew the baffle on the computer, but I don&#8217;t see any reason why it couldn&#8217;t be 1&#8243; closser.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Here is a different box and tuning I am thinking of:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/25-35.gif" rel="lightbox[181]"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-199" title="25-35" src="http://www.cmhaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/25-35.gif" alt="25-35" width="430" height="258" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">And an overlay of the old with the new:</p>
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